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将棋ソフト不正疑惑、三浦九段のスマホ解析へ

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調査委員会は来週以降、三浦九段が自主的に提出したパソコンの利用記録を調べ、スマートフォンの提出も求めるという。
島朗常務理事(53)は報道各社への説明の場で「第三者が立ち会って調べた方が良いと考えている」と話した。説明会では、棋士から「徹底的に調査して欲しい。うやむやに終わらせてはならない」「仲間内で泥仕合をするのはいいことではない」などの声が上がったという。

一部引用。続きはソースで。
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20161021-00000107-asahi-soci

5:ヒップアタック(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]2016/10/21(金) 23:56:52.86ID:leMoM3EF0.net
この将棋ソフト自分も製作に関わったから似てて当然
って言い訳したらしいな
7:ファルコンアロー(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [CN]2016/10/21(金) 23:58:19.16ID:ZRAonjM40.net
どっちに転んでも面白い案件
8:ドラゴンスクリュー(茸)@\(^o^)/ [EU]2016/10/21(金) 23:58:38.50ID:qOzG6iRN0.net
これわしなら不正認めて見せない。
不正より恥ずかしい事実がそこにあるっ!
22:トラースキック(庭)@\(^o^)/ [JP]2016/10/22(土) 00:10:42.42ID:bYhM8Dd10.net
提出されたデバイスが所持している物の全てとは限らないよね
ホワイトのみ提出すればいいんだろ
23:32文ロケット砲(SB-iPhone)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 00:10:49.55ID:sNJ7HS0o0.net
とりあえず動画DLアプリは全削除
26:スリーパーホールド(岐阜県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]2016/10/22(土) 00:13:17.44ID:U3e6KeAj0.net
渡辺竜王のも調べろよ
31:デンジャラスバックドロップ(三重県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]2016/10/22(土) 00:33:09.07ID:671dMK0c0.net
三浦がやってなかったとしても李下に冠を正さず、疑わしいと思われる事は控えるべきだわ
真面目にただの下痢とかだったらまあかわいそうだけど
とりあえずスマホや2日制の場合の移動制限やホテルのPCをどうするかとか早急にルール作りをせんとな
41:キチンシンク(庭)@\(^o^)/ [VN]2016/10/22(土) 01:40:12.25ID:6sMBAO3T0.net
これどこでスマホ弄っててどうやって疑われたの?
42:超竜ボム(西日本)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 01:47:11.82ID:GHO/cqTj0.net
将棋スレで常連を煽って次の手を考えさせてたんだよ。
43:スパイダージャーマン(茨城県)@\(^o^)/ [BR]2016/10/22(土) 01:49:51.87ID:p8pUlM0N0.net
通話記録と通信記録開示するだけで充分だと思う
46:垂直落下式DDT(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]2016/10/22(土) 01:54:58.02ID:nqrrZCYY0.net
VIPでスレ立てて、アンカで指してたんじゃないの
48:サソリ固め(岐阜県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]2016/10/22(土) 01:59:21.95ID:H/HYE7Ky0.net
それって出場停止処分にする前にやるべきじゃね?
51:男色ドライバー(静岡県)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 02:04:52.20ID:WuL1qU570.net
何故頻繁に離席していたか、だなあ
52:グロリア(やわらか銀行)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 02:06:34.46ID:SsGEDdXZ0.net
ただ将棋アプリで遊んだけど対局では使ってないっていいださないかな
3:ジャンピングDDT(広島県)@\(^o^)/ [FR]2016/10/21(金) 23:55:47.16ID:DDH9jINP0.net
お前らの携帯を解析されたらヤバイ画像とか出てきそう
11:膝靭帯固め(茸)@\(^o^)/ [GB]2016/10/21(金) 23:59:57.28ID:hRKmizWe0.net
>>3
取り敢えず今入ってる中で一番見られたくない画像はこれだった
89:TEKKAMAKI(千葉県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]2016/10/22(土) 08:34:13.76ID:JhhNeyor0.net
>>11
追放決定だな
55:ジャンピングパワーボム(家)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]2016/10/22(土) 02:17:50.46ID:iqY6n3MF0.net
>>11
保存した
15:ウエスタンラリアット(東日本)@\(^o^)/ [CN]2016/10/22(土) 00:01:01.49ID:Ce95IUKg0.net
>>11
和露他
10:レッドインク(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [CA]2016/10/21(金) 23:58:59.51ID:l0ZTxHRk0.net
今後は完全禁止にして、対局させればいいんじゃね?
インチキしてたんなら、実力も低下してるだろうから戦績に出て分かるだろ
37:タイガースープレックス(兵庫県)@\(^o^)/ [GB]2016/10/22(土) 01:03:41.26ID:E441Mjrb0.net
>>10
本人の名誉のためにもこれが一番だよなあしかし将棋ソフトってそんな強いのか?

40:ローリングソバット(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [CA]2016/10/22(土) 01:38:22.45ID:s3Rd9iQ70.net
>>37
終盤になってパターンが限られてくると、今の処理速度なら全て読み切れそう
16:河津落とし(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [BR]2016/10/22(土) 00:01:05.35ID:3QQw1Qgx0.net
スマホのソフトじゃ弱すぎるだろ
やるんだったらPCでソフト動かしてる協力者に電話
30:リバースネックブリーカー(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]2016/10/22(土) 00:26:50.97ID:ucPH6c830.net
>>16
ライフラインかよw
113:エルボードロップ(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [CH]2016/10/22(土) 11:20:41.74ID:2TJ7Wc2f0.net
>>16
スマホで演算しないクラウドサービスだろ
18:キングコングニードロップ(庭)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 00:02:45.79ID:MmZOQ7xc0.net
よーし、チミたちもスマホを出しなさい。見られてマズイもんなんかないだろーな?ん?
19:ウエスタンラリアット(東日本)@\(^o^)/ [CN]2016/10/22(土) 00:03:28.72ID:Ce95IUKg0.net
>>18
2chのログが一番恥ずかしいわ
20:フルネルソンスープレックス(茸)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 00:06:46.42ID:VQ3V61nu0.net
LINEで羽生に聞いてるってのが1番笑った
24:トラースキック(茸)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 00:11:54.31ID:3aaptWYw0.net
>>20
面白いw
59:チキンウィングフェースロック(dion軍)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 02:55:59.59ID:RErqH+Pi0.net
>>20
越えちゃいけないLINE
ハブられるぞホンマ
130:膝靭帯固め(新疆ウイグル自治区)@\(^o^)/ [TR]2016/10/22(土) 12:49:10.60ID:VVQqmPGF0.net
>>20
序盤中盤終盤いつでも聞けるよね
32:クロスヒールホールド(チベット自治区)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 00:34:28.82ID:HKxJPImg0.net
今現在こういう状況らしい。
38:リキラリアット(高知県)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 01:16:53.84ID:+84J9EHq0.net
>>32
味方にすると頼りないのが居るな
90:TEKKAMAKI(千葉県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]2016/10/22(土) 08:40:36.00ID:JhhNeyor0.net
>>32
森内、丸山、屋敷、深浦がないぞ
35:リバースパワースラム(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 00:49:09.94ID:lcFl5Db20.net
スマホの将棋アプリごときに頼ってみても、人間様が勝てるだろ?
44:超竜ボム(西日本)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 01:51:28.78ID:GHO/cqTj0.net
>>35
アプリじゃなくて、外にいる協力者に棋譜などを伝えてPCで分析させてるのでは、なんてレスもあった。
45:キドクラッチ(兵庫県)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 01:53:11.12ID:C2xXhZsJ0.net

そんな怪しいのか?

っていうそもそも対局中に携帯いじっていいのか?
そこがそもそもおかしい気がするんだが

47:リバースパワースラム(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 01:56:28.24ID:lcFl5Db20.net
>>45
今夜の夕食の買い物メモがメールされて来たんだきっと、で、直ぐ返事しないと後でど突かれるんだよ。
49:超竜ボム(西日本)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 02:00:38.99ID:GHO/cqTj0.net
>>45
離席は割と自由なんだそうな。対局は長時間だから。
ただこれからはスマホを持って離席とか、そもそもスマホ持ち込みとかは出来なくなるだろうな。
63:フォーク攻撃(東京都)@\(^o^)/ [US]2016/10/22(土) 05:07:01.56ID:eeJCc2d80.net
>>45
ソフトの方が強い事を認めないまま曖昧な姿勢でルールを作らずにきたから
ルール=ソフトが有効と認めることになる
何故かそれを拒み続けてる、まぁ人間がやる意義みたいな問題になるからな
50:超竜ボム(WiMAX)@\(^o^)/ [ヌコ]2016/10/22(土) 02:04:43.80ID:OtXegyRH0.net
将棋板じゃソフト使ったにしては悪手が多すぎてシロじゃないかって意見もあるが、どうなんだろうな
91:TEKKAMAKI(千葉県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]2016/10/22(土) 08:43:48.42ID:JhhNeyor0.net
>>50
電王戦で戦ってまともに勝てた棋士はほとんどいない。全員プロなのに。
今の将棋ソフトはプロでも勝てないくらい強くなっている。
77:ウエスタンラリアット(庭)@\(^o^)/ [CN]2016/10/22(土) 07:17:00.22ID:hZcS+diA0.net
俺も棋士の端くれだけど勝ちたいんじゃなくて強いやつと指したいだけだからソフト使って俺に勝てるならどんどん使ってほしいけどな
やっぱ金目的のプロ棋士は俺ら純粋棋士とは考えが違うんだろうな
92:TEKKAMAKI(千葉県)@\(^o^)/ [ニダ]2016/10/22(土) 08:45:57.30ID:JhhNeyor0.net
>>77
弱いけど負けたくない棋士ならソフト使うかもね。
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